Discussion:
Inquiry:SIP sending dialed digits in one-by-one digit format
PELSEMAKER Eric
2010-01-08 10:34:44 UTC
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Hi all,

In TISPAN TS 183 043 V2.3.1 annex-E, one can find a description of the
sip based overlap sending procedures that are defined for PES-endpoint
and PES-access point.

Kr, Eric Pelsemaker



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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 14:50:59 +0530
From: "Sreerekha Shenoy (sresheno)" <***@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: [Sip] Inquiry:SIP sending dialed digits in one-by-one
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Hi Hadi,
I could see that RFC 3578 has some details of managing ISUP overlap
signaling with SIP enbloc dialing.
This RFC is more so for a PSTN-SIP gateway, not really a pure SIP
endpoint though.

Please let me know if you have got a chance to go through it to see if
it helps in anyways.

Thanks,
Best Regards,
Rekha

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1. Inquiry:SIP sending dialed digits in one-by-one digit format?
(hadi motamedi)
2. Re: Inquiry:SIP sending dialed digits in one-by-one digit
format? (Prasath Elangovan -X (prelango - HCL at Cisco))
3. Re: Inquiry:SIP sending dialed digits in one-by-one digit
format? (hadi motamedi)
4. Re: Inquiry:SIP sending dialed digits in one-by-one digit
format? (Vijay Tiwari)
5. Re: Inquiry:SIP sending dialed digits in one-by-one digit
format? (hadi motamedi)
6. Re: Inquiry:SIP sending dialed digits in one-by-one digit
format? (Vijay Tiwari)
7. Re: Inquiry:SIP sending dialed digits in one-by-one digit
format? (Paul Kyzivat)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 06:11:52 +0000
From: hadi motamedi <***@gmail.com>
Subject: [Sip] Inquiry:SIP sending dialed digits in one-by-one digit
format?
To: ***@ietf.org
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Dear All
Can you please do me favor and let me know if it is technically
feasible to send the sip dialed digits in one-by-one-digit format ? I
mean if the subs dials say 6659983 we try to send it as 6,6,5,9,9,8,3
but not as 6659983 in just one package with sip invite .
Thank you in advance
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:09:17 +0530
From: "Prasath Elangovan -X (prelango - HCL at Cisco)"
<***@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: [Sip] Inquiry:SIP sending dialed digits in one-by-one
digit format?
To: "hadi motamedi" <***@gmail.com>, <***@ietf.org>
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Hey Hadi,

You could do this via KPML Subscription package. Send invite with just 6
and remaining digits throught NOTIFY.

Thanks, Prasath

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Subject: [Sip] Inquiry:SIP sending dialed digits in one-by-one digit
format?



Dear All
Can you please do me favor and let me know if it is technically
feasible to send the sip dialed digits in one-by-one-digit format ? I
mean if the subs dials say 6659983 we try to send it as 6,6,5,9,9,8,3
but not as 6659983 in just one package with sip invite .
Thank you in advance





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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 06:54:54 +0000
From: hadi motamedi <***@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Sip] Inquiry:SIP sending dialed digits in one-by-one
digit format?
To: "Prasath Elangovan -X (prelango - HCL at Cisco)"
<***@cisco.com>
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On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:39 AM, Prasath Elangovan -X (prelango - HCL at
Hey Hadi,
You could do this via KPML Subscription package. Send invite with just
6
and remaining digits throught NOTIFY.
Thanks, Prasath
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Of *hadi
motamedi
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 06, 2010 11:42 AM
*Subject:* [Sip] Inquiry:SIP sending dialed digits in one-by-one digit
format?
Dear All
Can you please do me favor and let me know if it is technically
feasible to send the sip dialed digits in one-by-one-digit format ? I
mean if the subs dials say 6659983 we try to send it as 6,6,5,9,9,8,3
but not as 6659983 in just one package with sip invite .
Thank you in advance
Sorry . Can you please do me favor and provide me with more details on
this
?
Thank you
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:29:03 +0530
From: Vijay Tiwari <***@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Sip] Inquiry:SIP sending dialed digits in one-by-one
digit format?
To: "Prasath Elangovan -X (prelango - HCL at Cisco)"
<***@cisco.com>
Cc: ***@ietf.org
Message-ID:
<***@mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Hello All

this KPML subscription package used for DTMF digits not for invite
number in
request URI.

On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Prasath Elangovan -X (prelango - HCL at
Hey Hadi,
You could do this via KPML Subscription package. Send invite with just
6
and remaining digits throught NOTIFY.
Thanks, Prasath
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Of *hadi
motamedi
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 06, 2010 11:42 AM
*Subject:* [Sip] Inquiry:SIP sending dialed digits in one-by-one digit
format?
Dear All
Can you please do me favor and let me know if it is technically
feasible to send the sip dialed digits in one-by-one-digit format ? I
mean if the subs dials say 6659983 we try to send it as 6,6,5,9,9,8,3
but not as 6659983 in just one package with sip invite .
Thank you in advance
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 07:08:27 +0000
From: hadi motamedi <***@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Sip] Inquiry:SIP sending dialed digits in one-by-one
digit format?
To: Vijay Tiwari <***@gmail.com>
Cc: ***@ietf.org
Message-ID:
<***@mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:59 AM, Vijay Tiwari
Hello All
this KPML subscription package used for DTMF digits not for invite
number
in request URI.
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Prasath Elangovan -X (prelango -
HCL at
Hey Hadi,
You could do this via KPML Subscription package. Send invite with
just 6
and remaining digits throught NOTIFY.
Thanks, Prasath
------------------------------
Of
*hadi motamedi
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 06, 2010 11:42 AM
*Subject:* [Sip] Inquiry:SIP sending dialed digits in one-by-one
digit
format?
Dear All
Can you please do me favor and let me know if it is technically
feasible to send the sip dialed digits in one-by-one-digit format ? I
mean if the subs dials say 6659983 we try to send it as 6,6,5,9,9,8,3
but not as 6659983 in just one package with sip invite .
Thank you in advance
_______________________________________________
Sip mailing list https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sip
This list is for NEW development of the core SIP Protocol
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They can because they think they can.
Sorry. You mean KPML cannot implement this scenario ?
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 15:32:48 +0530
From: Vijay Tiwari <***@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Sip] Inquiry:SIP sending dialed digits in one-by-one
digit format?
To: hadi motamedi <***@gmail.com>
Cc: ***@ietf.org
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Hello all

yes KPML is not implement into implement this scenario. its only for
DTMF
digits.

Thanks
Vijay
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:59 AM, Vijay Tiwari
Hello All
this KPML subscription package used for DTMF digits not for invite
number
in request URI.
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Prasath Elangovan -X (prelango -
HCL
Hey Hadi,
You could do this via KPML Subscription package. Send invite with
just 6
and remaining digits throught NOTIFY.
Thanks, Prasath
------------------------------
Behalf Of
*hadi motamedi
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 06, 2010 11:42 AM
*Subject:* [Sip] Inquiry:SIP sending dialed digits in one-by-one
digit
format?
Dear All
Can you please do me favor and let me know if it is technically
feasible to send the sip dialed digits in one-by-one-digit format ?
I
mean if the subs dials say 6659983 we try to send it as
6,6,5,9,9,8,3
but not as 6659983 in just one package with sip invite .
Thank you in advance
_______________________________________________
Sip mailing list https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sip
This list is for NEW development of the core SIP Protocol
--
They can because they think they can.
Sorry. You mean KPML cannot implement this scenario ?
--
They can because they think they can.
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 10:07:13 -0500
From: Paul Kyzivat <***@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: [Sip] Inquiry:SIP sending dialed digits in one-by-one
digit format?
To: Vijay Tiwari <***@gmail.com>
Cc: ***@ietf.org
Message-ID: <***@cisco.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Hello all
yes KPML is not implement into implement this scenario. its only for
DTMF digits.
It was not *intended* for this, but that doesn't mean it couldn't be
used for this purpose. However there is no standard defined for doing
so.

And its extremely unlikely that one would be defined, because it
requires a different division of responsibility between components than
the sip specs assume. Specifically, to do this, you have to turn the sip

phone into a dumb device, akin to MGCP, with a master that does most of
the work. You need to do this, because you must establish a session with

*something* that will receive the digits, and then eventually decide
when a full number has been entered, and then initiate a call.

Thanks,
Paul
Thanks
Vijay
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:59 AM, Vijay Tiwari
Hello All
this KPML subscription package used for DTMF digits not for
invite number in request URI.
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Prasath Elangovan -X
(prelango
Hey Hadi,
You could do this via KPML Subscription package. Send
invite
with just 6 and remaining digits throught NOTIFY.
Thanks, Prasath
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*On Behalf Of *hadi motamedi
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 06, 2010 11:42 AM
*Subject:* [Sip] Inquiry:SIP sending dialed digits in
one-by-one digit format?
Dear All
Can you please do me favor and let me know if it is
technically
feasible to send the sip dialed digits in one-by-one-digit
format ? I
mean if the subs dials say 6659983 we try to send it as
6,6,5,9,9,8,3
but not as 6659983 in just one package with sip invite .
Thank you in advance
_______________________________________________
Sip mailing list
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sip
This list is for NEW development of the core SIP Protocol
current sip
developments on the application of sip
--
They can because they think they can.
Sorry. You mean KPML cannot implement this scenario ?
--
They can because they think they can.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
_______________________________________________
Sip mailing list https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sip
This list is for NEW development of the core SIP Protocol
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 10:23:01 +0100
From: Christer Holmberg <***@ericsson.com>
Subject: Re: [Sip] Inquiry:SIP sending dialed digits in one-by-one
digit format?
To: 'Paul Kyzivat' <***@cisco.com>, Vijay Tiwari
<***@gmail.com>
Cc: "***@ietf.org" <***@ietf.org>
Message-ID:

<***@ESESSCMS0354.eemea.ericsson.
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Hi,

Are you referring to overlap dialling?

One way is to send additional digits in subsequent INVITEs, which is
described in RFC 3578. Another way is to send the additional digits
using INFO, once the INVITE has reached the *something* Paul is
referring to.

Regards,

Christer



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From: sip-***@ietf.org [mailto:sip-***@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
Paul Kyzivat
Sent: 6. tammikuuta 2010 17:07
To: Vijay Tiwari
Cc: ***@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Sip] Inquiry:SIP sending dialed digits in one-by-one digit
format?
Hello all
yes KPML is not implement into implement this scenario. its only for
DTMF digits.
It was not *intended* for this, but that doesn't mean it couldn't be
used for this purpose. However there is no standard defined for doing
so.

And its extremely unlikely that one would be defined, because it
requires a different division of responsibility between components than
the sip specs assume. Specifically, to do this, you have to turn the sip
phone into a dumb device, akin to MGCP, with a master that does most of
the work. You need to do this, because you must establish a session with
*something* that will receive the digits, and then eventually decide
when a full number has been entered, and then initiate a call.

Thanks,
Paul
Thanks
Vijay
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:59 AM, Vijay Tiwari
Hello All
this KPML subscription package used for DTMF digits not for
invite number in request URI.
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Prasath Elangovan -X
(prelango
Hey Hadi,
You could do this via KPML Subscription package. Send
invite
with just 6 and remaining digits throught NOTIFY.
Thanks, Prasath
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*On Behalf Of *hadi motamedi
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 06, 2010 11:42 AM
*Subject:* [Sip] Inquiry:SIP sending dialed digits in
one-by-one digit format?
Dear All
Can you please do me favor and let me know if it is
technically
feasible to send the sip dialed digits in one-by-one-digit
format ? I
mean if the subs dials say 6659983 we try to send it as
6,6,5,9,9,8,3
but not as 6659983 in just one package with sip invite .
Thank you in advance
_______________________________________________
Sip mailing list
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sip
This list is for NEW development of the core SIP Protocol
current sip
developments on the application of sip
--
They can because they think they can.
Sorry. You mean KPML cannot implement this scenario ?
--
They can because they think they can.
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