Discussion:
Inquiry:SIP sending dialed digits in one-by-one digit format?
hadi motamedi
2010-01-06 06:11:52 UTC
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Dear All
Can you please do me favor and let me know if it is technically
feasible to send the sip dialed digits in one-by-one-digit format ? I
mean if the subs dials say 6659983 we try to send it as 6,6,5,9,9,8,3
but not as 6659983 in just one package with sip invite .
Thank you in advance
Prasath Elangovan -X (prelango - HCL at Cisco)
2010-01-06 06:39:17 UTC
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Hey Hadi,

You could do this via KPML Subscription package. Send invite with just 6
and remaining digits throught NOTIFY.

Thanks, Prasath

________________________________

From: sip-***@ietf.org [mailto:sip-***@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
hadi motamedi
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 11:42 AM
To: ***@ietf.org
Subject: [Sip] Inquiry:SIP sending dialed digits in one-by-one digit
format?



Dear All
Can you please do me favor and let me know if it is technically
feasible to send the sip dialed digits in one-by-one-digit format ? I
mean if the subs dials say 6659983 we try to send it as 6,6,5,9,9,8,3
but not as 6659983 in just one package with sip invite .
Thank you in advance
hadi motamedi
2010-01-06 06:54:54 UTC
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On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:39 AM, Prasath Elangovan -X (prelango - HCL at
Post by Prasath Elangovan -X (prelango - HCL at Cisco)
Hey Hadi,
You could do this via KPML Subscription package. Send invite with just 6
and remaining digits throught NOTIFY.
Thanks, Prasath
------------------------------
motamedi
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 06, 2010 11:42 AM
*Subject:* [Sip] Inquiry:SIP sending dialed digits in one-by-one digit
format?
Dear All
Can you please do me favor and let me know if it is technically
feasible to send the sip dialed digits in one-by-one-digit format ? I
mean if the subs dials say 6659983 we try to send it as 6,6,5,9,9,8,3
but not as 6659983 in just one package with sip invite .
Thank you in advance
Sorry . Can you please do me favor and provide me with more details on this
?
Thank you
Vijay Tiwari
2010-01-06 06:59:03 UTC
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Hello All

this KPML subscription package used for DTMF digits not for invite number in
request URI.

On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Prasath Elangovan -X (prelango - HCL at
Post by Prasath Elangovan -X (prelango - HCL at Cisco)
Hey Hadi,
You could do this via KPML Subscription package. Send invite with just 6
and remaining digits throught NOTIFY.
Thanks, Prasath
------------------------------
motamedi
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 06, 2010 11:42 AM
*Subject:* [Sip] Inquiry:SIP sending dialed digits in one-by-one digit
format?
Dear All
Can you please do me favor and let me know if it is technically
feasible to send the sip dialed digits in one-by-one-digit format ? I
mean if the subs dials say 6659983 we try to send it as 6,6,5,9,9,8,3
but not as 6659983 in just one package with sip invite .
Thank you in advance
_______________________________________________
Sip mailing list https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sip
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They can because they think they can.
hadi motamedi
2010-01-06 07:08:27 UTC
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Post by Vijay Tiwari
Hello All
this KPML subscription package used for DTMF digits not for invite number
in request URI.
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Prasath Elangovan -X (prelango - HCL at
Post by Prasath Elangovan -X (prelango - HCL at Cisco)
Hey Hadi,
You could do this via KPML Subscription package. Send invite with just 6
and remaining digits throught NOTIFY.
Thanks, Prasath
------------------------------
*hadi motamedi
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 06, 2010 11:42 AM
*Subject:* [Sip] Inquiry:SIP sending dialed digits in one-by-one digit
format?
Dear All
Can you please do me favor and let me know if it is technically
feasible to send the sip dialed digits in one-by-one-digit format ? I
mean if the subs dials say 6659983 we try to send it as 6,6,5,9,9,8,3
but not as 6659983 in just one package with sip invite .
Thank you in advance
_______________________________________________
Sip mailing list https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sip
This list is for NEW development of the core SIP Protocol
--
They can because they think they can.
Sorry. You mean KPML cannot implement this scenario ?
Vijay Tiwari
2010-01-06 10:02:48 UTC
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Hello all

yes KPML is not implement into implement this scenario. its only for DTMF
digits.

Thanks
Vijay
Post by hadi motamedi
Post by Vijay Tiwari
Hello All
this KPML subscription package used for DTMF digits not for invite number
in request URI.
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Prasath Elangovan -X (prelango - HCL
Post by Prasath Elangovan -X (prelango - HCL at Cisco)
Hey Hadi,
You could do this via KPML Subscription package. Send invite with just 6
and remaining digits throught NOTIFY.
Thanks, Prasath
------------------------------
*hadi motamedi
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 06, 2010 11:42 AM
*Subject:* [Sip] Inquiry:SIP sending dialed digits in one-by-one digit
format?
Dear All
Can you please do me favor and let me know if it is technically
feasible to send the sip dialed digits in one-by-one-digit format ? I
mean if the subs dials say 6659983 we try to send it as 6,6,5,9,9,8,3
but not as 6659983 in just one package with sip invite .
Thank you in advance
_______________________________________________
Sip mailing list https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sip
This list is for NEW development of the core SIP Protocol
--
They can because they think they can.
Sorry. You mean KPML cannot implement this scenario ?
--
They can because they think they can.
Paul Kyzivat
2010-01-06 15:07:13 UTC
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Post by Vijay Tiwari
Hello all
yes KPML is not implement into implement this scenario. its only for
DTMF digits.
It was not *intended* for this, but that doesn't mean it couldn't be
used for this purpose. However there is no standard defined for doing so.

And its extremely unlikely that one would be defined, because it
requires a different division of responsibility between components than
the sip specs assume. Specifically, to do this, you have to turn the sip
phone into a dumb device, akin to MGCP, with a master that does most of
the work. You need to do this, because you must establish a session with
*something* that will receive the digits, and then eventually decide
when a full number has been entered, and then initiate a call.

Thanks,
Paul
Post by Vijay Tiwari
Thanks
Vijay
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:59 AM, Vijay Tiwari
Hello All
this KPML subscription package used for DTMF digits not for
invite number in request URI.
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Prasath Elangovan -X (prelango
Hey Hadi,
You could do this via KPML Subscription package. Send invite
with just 6 and remaining digits throught NOTIFY.
Thanks, Prasath
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*On Behalf Of *hadi motamedi
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 06, 2010 11:42 AM
*Subject:* [Sip] Inquiry:SIP sending dialed digits in
one-by-one digit format?
Dear All
Can you please do me favor and let me know if it is technically
feasible to send the sip dialed digits in one-by-one-digit
format ? I
mean if the subs dials say 6659983 we try to send it as
6,6,5,9,9,8,3
but not as 6659983 in just one package with sip invite .
Thank you in advance
_______________________________________________
Sip mailing list https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sip
This list is for NEW development of the core SIP Protocol
current sip
developments on the application of sip
--
They can because they think they can.
Sorry. You mean KPML cannot implement this scenario ?
--
They can because they think they can.
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_______________________________________________
Sip mailing list https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sip
This list is for NEW development of the core SIP Protocol
_______________________________________________
Sip mailing list https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sip
This list is for NEW development of the core SIP Protocol
Use sip-***@cs.columbia.edu for questions on current sip
Use ***@ietf.org for new developments on the application of sip
Christer Holmberg
2010-01-07 09:23:01 UTC
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Hi,

Are you referring to overlap dialling?

One way is to send additional digits in subsequent INVITEs, which is described in RFC 3578. Another way is to send the additional digits using INFO, once the INVITE has reached the *something* Paul is referring to.

Regards,

Christer



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From: sip-***@ietf.org [mailto:sip-***@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Paul Kyzivat
Sent: 6. tammikuuta 2010 17:07
To: Vijay Tiwari
Cc: ***@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Sip] Inquiry:SIP sending dialed digits in one-by-one digit format?
Post by Vijay Tiwari
Hello all
yes KPML is not implement into implement this scenario. its only for
DTMF digits.
It was not *intended* for this, but that doesn't mean it couldn't be used for this purpose. However there is no standard defined for doing so.

And its extremely unlikely that one would be defined, because it requires a different division of responsibility between components than the sip specs assume. Specifically, to do this, you have to turn the sip phone into a dumb device, akin to MGCP, with a master that does most of the work. You need to do this, because you must establish a session with
*something* that will receive the digits, and then eventually decide when a full number has been entered, and then initiate a call.

Thanks,
Paul
Post by Vijay Tiwari
Thanks
Vijay
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:59 AM, Vijay Tiwari
Hello All
this KPML subscription package used for DTMF digits not for
invite number in request URI.
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Prasath Elangovan -X (prelango
Hey Hadi,
You could do this via KPML Subscription package. Send invite
with just 6 and remaining digits throught NOTIFY.
Thanks, Prasath
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*On Behalf Of *hadi motamedi
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 06, 2010 11:42 AM
*Subject:* [Sip] Inquiry:SIP sending dialed digits in
one-by-one digit format?
Dear All
Can you please do me favor and let me know if it is technically
feasible to send the sip dialed digits in one-by-one-digit
format ? I
mean if the subs dials say 6659983 we try to send it as
6,6,5,9,9,8,3
but not as 6659983 in just one package with sip invite .
Thank you in advance
_______________________________________________
Sip mailing list https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sip
This list is for NEW development of the core SIP Protocol
current sip
developments on the application of sip
--
They can because they think they can.
Sorry. You mean KPML cannot implement this scenario ?
--
They can because they think they can.
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_______________________________________________
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_______________________________________________
Sip mailing list https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sip
This list is for NEW development of the core SIP Protocol
Use sip-***@cs.columbia.edu for questions on current sip
Use ***@ietf.org for new developments on the application of sip
Victor Pascual Avila
2010-01-08 10:50:01 UTC
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Hi,
Post by hadi motamedi
Can you please do me favor and let me know if it is technically
feasible to send the sip dialed digits in one-by-one-digit format ? I
mean if the subs dials say 6659983 we try to send it as 6,6,5,9,9,8,3
but not as 6659983 in just one package with sip invite .
RFC3578 describes the overlap dialing. While some implement the
"Multiple Invite" method, some others implement the "In Dialog" method
as depicted by ETSI TS 124 229 V8.7.8 (2009-07). Please check Clause
4.9 and ANNEX N from that document (Note: it does NOT reference
RFC3578)

Cheers,
--
Victor Pascual Ávila
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Dale Worley
2010-01-06 18:50:36 UTC
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Post by hadi motamedi
Can you please do me favor and let me know if it is technically
feasible to send the sip dialed digits in one-by-one-digit format ? I
mean if the subs dials say 6659983 we try to send it as 6,6,5,9,9,8,3
but not as 6659983 in just one package with sip invite .
This is called "overlapped dialing", and there is a defined technique
for doing this. The phone, when it receives the first digit, sends an
INVITE:

INVITE sip:***@domain SIP/2.0 -->

The proxy for the domain determines that additional digits are required,
and gives a 484 Address Incomplete response:

<-- SIP/2.0 484 Address Incomplete

When the user dials the second digit, the phone sends the accumulated
digits:

INVITE sip:***@domain SIP/2.0 -->

The proxy responds 484 again:

<-- SIP/2.0 484 Address Incomplete

This continues until the user enters a complete dial string.

However, this technique is not commonly used due to the high signaling
traffic it generates and the general difficulty having the proxy
determine whether or not the dial string is ended for all possible dial
strings.

A more common technique is to program the UA with a "dial pattern",
which is a regular expression that describes all valid dial strings.
E.g., three-digit extensions could be described "xxx", while "9 followed
by 7 digits" could be described "9xxxxxxx". Also, the dial pattern
language usually allows a way of specifying variable-length strings via
"a series of digits terminated by a time-out": "9xT". This method
places the entire burden on the UA, but allows a mixture of fixed- and
variable-length strings in the dial plan. Of course, the details vary
from one make of UA to another.

Dale


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